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What’s my opinion of the trades, for every sixth retiring trades people 2 are replacing them that’s how proficient and efficient trades have gotten.
they have a endless pool of youth to pick out of is….
Not everyone are going to be tradespeople….
Actually most are jobs that are growing in America are in services, hospitality, retail. They are poorly paid in an era of knowledge.
how about lifting minimum wage?
And let me tell you there is an underlying problem of to many men getting hurt in the trades and just disappear with no one asking where or when or what happen, I know
Nigel Shenton 5% of the population make min wage, those are entry level jobs, if you are a grown adult making min wage, the problem is you.
Dwayne Ball, you’re suggesting I should reset to minimum wage or entry-level apprentice pay for four years just to "earn" a livable wage? You’re essentially saying I should do the hardest physical labor for a quarter of the pay just to exist in a working environment.
I’ve put in 10 years in the trades. I’ve seen how it works. When I got a concussion, I was bounced around between journeyman and trade roles for a decade. The reality is that many employers prioritize the cheapest labor possible; they’ll drag out an apprenticeship indefinitely to keep wages down. I know people who have all their hours ready for school, yet they’re still being used as "apprentices" because it saves the company money.
The problem isn't the concept of an apprenticeship—it's the exploitation of low wages and the way employers hop from one person to the next to avoid paying what a job is actually worth.
Nigel Shenton We already have a shortage of trades people. Good ones you really want to employ are non existent. It's driving up wages for tradesmen.
It seen thought for the last year to two years. Anyone who is any good is employed and being huddled by thier companies.
That's a fact as I own a smaller electrical company. Proficiency doesn't mean work can be handled in a realistic construction timeline.
Mark Olsson, if your argument is simply "the good ones are already hired," I’m calling BS. I see the job postings, and I’m getting offers too, but you have to look at the broader economy.
The sectors actually seeing real growth aren't the high-paying trades; they are retail, hospitality, and service jobs—roles that remain poorly paid in a knowledge-based economy. We should be talking about raising the minimum wage instead of pretending everything is fine.
There’s also a darker side to the trades that people ignore: the number of men who get injured and simply disappear from the industry without a trace. No one asks where they went or what happened to them.
As for the "growth" you're claiming? The math doesn't track. For every six tradespeople retiring, only two are replacing them. That isn't a thriving, growing industry; that’s a shrinking workforce.
And let’s talk about the hiring process itself. If you don't fit a specific algorithm—like if you’ve had three jobs in seven years—you won’t even get an interview. It’s exactly what Cathy O’Neil describes in *Weapons of Math Destruction*. The system is rigged to filter people out, not to find "the best" talent.
The stats don't lie. Replacing six with two is a decline, not a boom. Anything else is just noise.
### Key Points Retained:
* **The 6-to-2 Ratio:** Highlights the net loss in the workforce rather than growth.
* **Economic Shift:** Points out that growth is happening in low-paid service sectors rather than specialized trades.
* **Algorithmic Bias:** References Cathy O’Neil to explain why the "everyone is hiring" narrative is a myth for many workers.
* **The Human Cost:** Addresses the lack of support or visibility for injured workers in physical trades.
Dwayne Ball, you’re suggesting I should reset to minimum wage or entry-level apprentice pay for four years just to "earn" a livable wage? You’re essentially saying I should do the hardest physical labor for a quarter of the pay just to exist in a working environment.
I’ve put in 10 years in the trades. I’ve seen how it works. When I got a concussion, I was bounced around between journeyman and trade roles for a decade. The reality is that many employers prioritize the cheapest labor possible; they’ll drag out an apprenticeship indefinitely to keep wages down. I know people who have all their hours ready for school, yet they’re still being used as "apprentices" because it saves the company money.
The problem isn't the concept of an apprenticeship—it's the exploitation of low wages and the way employers hop from one person to the next to avoid paying what a job is actually worth.
Dwayne Ball if you want to talk about the real problem, I made less than minimum wage today under $13 an hour building. Probably $5 million dollar houses.. and now those houses have seen 300% increase in profit while my earnings were just is... The crisis isn't if enough people are joining the trades. Let me guarantee you. There's enough people going into the trades and the problem isn't me
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It's who you know as the pastor son that gets the job...
Or the dad's favorite friend son?
Laughing is just how entitled do trades people be in a 6 to 2 ratio be...
It's a meritocracy on family friends of family there rewarding intelligent not education
So
Yes laugh away
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